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Liang Nuren
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Posted - 2012.01.11 21:50:00 -
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m0cking bird wrote: Also, has no one used heavily tanked assault frigates to tackle one or two Hurricanes (@ range or in warp scrambler range) on the TEST SERVER yet?
A heavily tanked assault frigate has no trouble tackling, tanking, and quite likely even killing any battlecruiser you care to name even currently on TQ. Assault frigates are not terribly gimped ships and the changes on the test server are far reaching indeed. I think everyone should step back and consider that AFs are getting: - Extra fittings - Extra slot - Extra HP - 4th bonus - Role bonus
This is a lot of changes for one class of ship that actually performs reasonably well already. The end result is that all AFs are getting a significant survivability boost when kiting and when on "approach" (don't approach). Then they are getting a 4th bonus which makes most certainly shores up any problems the ships might already have - such as tracking for the Jag and DPS for the Hawk. And finally they are getting an entire extra slot worth of mobility, utility, DPS, or Tank.
Taking a moment to discuss the role bonus: I think its a nice to have, but I think perhaps the fact that this bonus keeps propagating to frigates everywhere should be a clue we need to change the MWD sig bloom penalty on frigate MWDs instead of assigning these bonuses around like candy. However it turns out though, these AFs are going to be small fast targets that are hard to hit and have ridiculously huge tanks when you manage to do so. Their ability to tackle is going to be literally second to none.
These changes are far reaching enough that I am very concerned about game balance. I implore the CCP game devs to axe the extra slot and move slots around on the ships that require it.
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
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Posted - 2012.01.11 22:15:00 -
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Zarnak Wulf wrote:WTB AF that can survive a dual nuet Hurricane on TQ. With new mid slots and cap boosters maybe... Anyways, I've waited for years for AF to get buffed. Get back in the Orca Liang.
Two things: - http://vimeo.com/34665420 -- I'll get more videos up tonight I guess, including 1v1 harpy vs dual neut rupture and 1v1 harpy vs dual neut cyclone. I'll also get harpy vs Myrm and Harpy Taranis vs 2x Jag and many others. Its just not hard. :) - The 4th bonus is a boost. The entire package is an OVERBOOST.
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
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Posted - 2012.01.11 22:38:00 -
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I'm not arguing about all the possible bonuses that could be, Zarnak. I'm arguing that the package as presented is extreme overkill and will be detrimental to game balance as a whole. At the absolute minimum, the extra slot needs to go.
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
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Posted - 2012.01.11 23:23:00 -
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Hungry Eyes wrote:this is just my opinion, but i find Liang and Mocking are generally detached from reality. i know i pvp more than both of them put together, and half the time i dont understand what theyre saying. in fact, i think theyre one another's alts. AF's will not replace inties is any way, shape or form. inties: -superior scan res -superior speed -superior agility, and therefore superior acceleration and juking -extended warp disruption bonus conclusion: tackling role. oh, whats that? inities were ALWAYS the best tacklers, and will continue to be so?
There are 92 words in this post. They say a picture is worth a thousand words... and how much more is a video worth? Your opinion is useless without something to back it up.
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
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Posted - 2012.01.12 00:28:00 -
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Prometheus Exenthal wrote:@LiangSo bad You're someone who doesn't pvp very often, let alone mass frigates, and let alone test them. Your comments are based solely on what you think they can do, not what they can actually do. Go and try them out and realize how hilarious everything you just said is. And in regard to your video; You didn't actually showcase anything that AFs do better than any other ship. All you did was bait people into a fight, then drop the hard hitters on them at which point they typically stopped shooting at the frigates And nice work using an Arbitrator vs some turret ships. I'm sure he was hitting them just fine without that, right
Amazing. PVPing from 8-9pm until 3-4am almost every day is "not PVPing very often". Even more amusing is your horrific lack of attention to detail. In the first fight of that video I tanked both the Myrmidon AND the Harbinger almost by myself. Furthermore, the killmails for both of those will reveal that I did in fact do something that other ships wouldn't be so great at. In thee second fight I warped into an armor dual neut cane and escaped.
But as I said - I'm more than capable of posting lots and lots and lots of fraps footage of me in a Harpy doing things that most of you EFT warrirors claim is "impossible". Its very simple: the 4th bonus is a welcome addition. The role bonus is a bit iffy but I wouldn't argue over it. The extra slot? Way over the top.
And ultimate I feel that much of the testing that happens on sisi is wildly inaccurate when applied to TQ. The combat that happens in either place is dramatically different and values different metrics. I am PVPing on TQ and doing very very well.
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
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Posted - 2012.01.12 00:47:00 -
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By the time the Harbinger could even target me, I was well under his guns. Furthermore, he was not only running a neut and web, but also was running FMP instead of HPL. Furthermore, no matter what I bring as fraps evidence you are going to say that the people I fought "sucked". A classic No True Scottsman and/or Shifting Goalposts, really.
Ultimately what this comes down to is that I fly assault frigs on TQ every day and thus I'm in a pretty reasonable position to see how they fit into the overall ecosystem. All the sisi testing in the world isn't going to tell people who have never PVPed on TQ how they will perform on TQ.
My position is very clear: the ships need some help. They don't need recreated to be godlike power houses of doom.
-Liang
Ed: Also, you think that another ares would have been better in the Harby fight? Our only other damage dealer besides my Harpy was the Ishtar - and I'll give you two guesses who did more damage in that fight. Protip: it wasn't the Ishtar. As to calling it a "gank video" - hardly. In all of those fights we engaged what should have been easy wins for the other guys. Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
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Posted - 2012.01.12 18:34:00 -
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Zarnak Wulf wrote:CobaltSixty wrote:Summary:
Hawk - 7.5% to shield boost amount should stay. Again, it should not be the first ship with 5% instead of 7.5% to this amount. If it has to be different amount for balance's sake, it should be a different bonus altogether considering the Harpy's new tanking ability.
The Hawk is terrifying in the right hands. The best pilots can hold a target at that 8-10 km sweetspot where most of the small turret damage starts to falloff and tank what's left over. The gang boosted hawks are really scary.
The funny thing is that you are focusing on what the hawk can do to frigates with 5 mids. What it does to everything else is oh so much more impressive. But at any rate, I <3 active tank AFs so I want my big shield bonus! Heh, heh, heh, heh.
-Liang
Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux
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Posted - 2012.01.26 00:07:00 -
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I know its poor form, but "I told you so".
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://vimeo.com/user9887127 Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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